windows mail v office outlook 2007

I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?

I like Windows Mail... Because I don't wanna install software anymore <Nicholas> дÈëÏûÏ¢

I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?

Ahhh! Perfect answer ; )
"shuchill" wrote in message

I like Windows Mail... Because I don't wanna install software anymore Nicholas> дÈëÏûÏ¢ I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?

Outlook over anything.
-- Peter
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<Nicholas> wrote in message

I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message Outlook over anything.
I used to Outlook until Outlook Express 4 PP2 came out and I haven't let Outlook install since then.
-- Frank Saunders, MS MVP, OE,WM Please reply in newsgroup. Do not send email!

I use it heavily at work, but when I am at home, Outlook Express and OWA suffice. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Frank Saunders, MSMVP-OE" wrote in message

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message Outlook over anything.
I used to Outlook until Outlook Express 4 PP2 came out and I haven't let Outlook install since then.
-- Frank Saunders, MS MVP, OE,WM Please reply in newsgroup. Do not send email!

My question is, if we home users are supposed to utilize Windows Mail, Calendar and Contacts, are we to assume an upgrade to Activesync is coming so we can sync with our pda's?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I use it heavily at work, but when I am at home, Outlook Express and OWA suffice. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Frank Saunders, MSMVP-OE" wrote in message "Peter Foldes" wrote in message Outlook over anything.
I used to Outlook until Outlook Express 4 PP2 came out and I haven't let Outlook install since then.
-- Frank Saunders, MS MVP, OE,WM Please reply in newsgroup. Do not send email!

"My question is, if we home users are supposed to utilize Windows Mail, Calendar and Contacts, are we to assume an upgrade to Activesync is coming so we can sync with our pda's?"
More than likely.
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

"My question is, if we home users are supposed to utilize Windows Mail, Calendar and Contacts, are we to assume an upgrade to Activesync is coming so we can sync with our pda's?"
Actually, after doing a bit of research, I've found that Windows Vista will include Windows Mobile Device Center, the new name for ActiveSync, and offers a very similar feature set, that is, "synchronization and setting up your partnership."
But then again it raises the question... doesn't Sync Center *does all of that already* (cries...). WHY ON EARTH MS HAS TO COMPLICATE THINGS ALL THE TIME? JUST USE *1*, YES *ONE*, (O N E) SYNC MANAGER AND STICK TO IT! STOP TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE AND SELL YOUR WINDOWS MOBILE STUFF BY CONFUSING USERS AND ADDING A *REDUNDANT*, YES MAY I REPEAT THAT *REDUNDANT* SYNC MANAGER.
omg sorry I didn't want to do that but MS is always doing stuff for all the wrong reasons...
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

I'm in agreement with you, Nicholas. I have my own client for email that is simple and easy to use. I don't need Outlook; it hates me anyway, and I can do nothing with it. As you said, it just takes up hard drive space and RAM.
If I had my "druthers," I'd take Outlook, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger out of the OS. I don't use them most of the time, and only use Internet Explorer when I absolutely have to.
I'm struggling to learn to use Office 2007, and it's a chore. But I'll get there. I just wish there were more selections of the suite. I'd gladly give up Power Point in favor of Access.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
<Nicholas> wrote in message

I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?

Interesting comment, Nancy. One of the things I find most amazing in the age of high speed connections is that it doesn't occur to MS to offer an "Office" package based on the number of programs. In other words, I want Word, Excel, Power Point, Excel and Outlook so the price is $xx and I download my version while someone else wants Word and Outlook so he pays a different amount and downloads his "Office" package.
Am I weird or doesn't this make sense?
Tim
"NLWard" wrote in message

I'm in agreement with you, Nicholas. I have my own client for email that is simple and easy to use. I don't need Outlook; it hates me anyway, and I can do nothing with it. As you said, it just takes up hard drive space and RAM.
If I had my "druthers," I'd take Outlook, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger out of the OS. I don't use them most of the time, and only use Internet Explorer when I absolutely have to.
I'm struggling to learn to use Office 2007, and it's a chore. But I'll get there. I just wish there were more selections of the suite. I'd gladly give up Power Point in favor of Access.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
Nicholas> wrote in message I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?

I suppose that's got to do with the prodit margins MS wants to get.
You see, MS will make *more* profit out of your wallet if you buy 2 separate programs than a package of just 2.
You said Word Excel PowerPoint and Outlook, that's Office Standard.
But I agree with more than 4 programs there could be room for customization, instead of forcing you to buy Office Professional Plus which includes everything (virtually) and then deselect the ones you *don't* want to install - you pay more than you need.
"Tim Scott Mathews" :47qk7qFgtnoaU1@individual.net...

Interesting comment, Nancy. One of the things I find most amazing in the age of high speed connections is that it doesn't occur to MS to offer an "Office" package based on the number of programs. In other words, I want Word, Excel, Power Point, Excel and Outlook so the price is $xx and I download my version while someone else wants Word and Outlook so he pays a different amount and downloads his "Office" package.
Am I weird or doesn't this make sense?
Tim
"NLWard" wrote in message I'm in agreement with you, Nicholas. I have my own client for email that is simple and easy to use. I don't need Outlook; it hates me anyway, and I can do nothing with it. As you said, it just takes up hard drive space and RAM.
If I had my "druthers," I'd take Outlook, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger out of the OS. I don't use them most of the time, and only use Internet Explorer when I absolutely have to.
I'm struggling to learn to use Office 2007, and it's a chore. But I'll get there. I just wish there were more selections of the suite. I'd gladly give up Power Point in favor of Access.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
Nicholas> wrote in message I just want some comments from people, but already in my mind is MS is going to promote Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar as consumer products. If that's the case, since I'm a "consumer" more than a "businessman", I'm going to ditch Office Outlook 2007 for Windows Mail for the sake of simplicity. There's nothing more annoying than installing software that you don't use, and that it degrades your PC's performance and take up hard disk space.
And this brings back to the integration blues. Outlook Express and the Windows Address Book are right now abandoned since I find Office Outlook to have much needed Task and Calendar features. MS just needs to keep working on integration, try to avoid duplicating their own products, and when duplication is unavoidable, differentiate them so people can pick which one they want.
So say with Windows Mail, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts, I find all my needs are covered, and the much more friendly-looking UI will convince me to take the "consumer" side of intergration, and delete Office Outlook 2007 which a lot of features I find useless in a consumer's point of view. With Windows Live Messenger being the consumer IM-client, I can forget about Windows Messenger and Office Communicator. Isn't life so much better when things are simple?
I would have ditched Office 2007 in favor for Works. Works looks so much "relaxed and easy-to-use". But since it doesn't seem to open and edit presentations (I might be wrong), I think I'll have to choose Office Home and Student 2007 over Works 2007.
Do you see a pattern here? Simplicity and intergration is the key to enjoying computing. Too much duplicated programs just make you feel boggled down (unless you need them).
So back to my question: do you think Windows Mail is designed for consumers or businesses? What would you pick: Windows Mail or Office Outlook 2007?